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	<title>Comments on: Input needed! Bike and truck improvements for south end Ballard Bridge</title>
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		<title>By: Evin Gibson</title>
		<link>http://sdotblog.seattle.gov/2009/07/30/input-needed-bike-and-truck-improvements-for-south-end-ballard-bridge/comment-page-3/#comment-2219</link>
		<dc:creator>Evin Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I think I was misunderstanding the dates, and this was planned for last August, but did not go through.  

There were some good ideas here, it&#039;s too bad only some paint lines were added, I figured that was the near-near term solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I think I was misunderstanding the dates, and this was planned for last August, but did not go through.  </p>
<p>There were some good ideas here, it&#8217;s too bad only some paint lines were added, I figured that was the near-near term solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Evin Gibson</title>
		<link>http://sdotblog.seattle.gov/2009/07/30/input-needed-bike-and-truck-improvements-for-south-end-ballard-bridge/comment-page-3/#comment-2218</link>
		<dc:creator>Evin Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the comment about the pushbutton light indicating a biker is waiting to cross.  I have waited at this spot for several minutes before an observant driver slows to let me in.  

I would also suggest a sign for bikers telling them to stop and check for traffic, I have seen people in front of me just ride out there without even looking back. Maybe they just assume drivers will follow that &quot;yield to bicyclists&quot; sign that maybe 5% actually see.  

I am very glad to see someone doing something about this, I have always thought it&#039;s just a matter of time before someone is hit here.  (maybe you could push the date up..does it really take 10 months to plan and fund a $20k road improvement that could help prevent serious injury?  I&#039;ll leave my opinions on government run projects for a different blog.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the comment about the pushbutton light indicating a biker is waiting to cross.  I have waited at this spot for several minutes before an observant driver slows to let me in.  </p>
<p>I would also suggest a sign for bikers telling them to stop and check for traffic, I have seen people in front of me just ride out there without even looking back. Maybe they just assume drivers will follow that &#8220;yield to bicyclists&#8221; sign that maybe 5% actually see.  </p>
<p>I am very glad to see someone doing something about this, I have always thought it&#8217;s just a matter of time before someone is hit here.  (maybe you could push the date up..does it really take 10 months to plan and fund a $20k road improvement that could help prevent serious injury?  I&#8217;ll leave my opinions on government run projects for a different blog.)</p>
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		<title>By: SDOT Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Changes coming to the south end of the Ballard Bridge</title>
		<link>http://sdotblog.seattle.gov/2009/07/30/input-needed-bike-and-truck-improvements-for-south-end-ballard-bridge/comment-page-3/#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>SDOT Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Changes coming to the south end of the Ballard Bridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Evaluate speeds of southbound traffic on 15th Avenue W. Depending on the results of the speed study additional measures may be taken including installing a radar speed sign, or lowering the speed limit.  For more details read a letter from SDOT Director Grace Crunican on the subject. If you would like to read the comments we received check here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Evaluate speeds of southbound traffic on 15th Avenue W. Depending on the results of the speed study additional measures may be taken including installing a radar speed sign, or lowering the speed limit.  For more details read a letter from SDOT Director Grace Crunican on the subject. If you would like to read the comments we received check here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SDOT Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2nd Update: Bike and truck improvements for south end Ballard Bridge</title>
		<link>http://sdotblog.seattle.gov/2009/07/30/input-needed-bike-and-truck-improvements-for-south-end-ballard-bridge/comment-page-3/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>SDOT Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2nd Update: Bike and truck improvements for south end Ballard Bridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2nd Update: Bike and truck improvements for south end Ballard Bridge    Thanks for all of the thoughtful input! Because so many comments have been received, we need more than two days to consider them. Part of our process will include convening a small group of bicycle and freight interests to discuss feedback. Please check back in two weeks to learn more about final design decisions.    If you would like to read some of the comments we&#8217;ve received, check here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2nd Update: Bike and truck improvements for south end Ballard Bridge    Thanks for all of the thoughtful input! Because so many comments have been received, we need more than two days to consider them. Part of our process will include convening a small group of bicycle and freight interests to discuss feedback. Please check back in two weeks to learn more about final design decisions.    If you would like to read some of the comments we&#8217;ve received, check here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: E. Lewis</title>
		<link>http://sdotblog.seattle.gov/2009/07/30/input-needed-bike-and-truck-improvements-for-south-end-ballard-bridge/comment-page-3/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the short term, moving the curb cut south makes sense, but the location that&#039;s been painted on the bridge as the proposed curb cut is too far around the corner (which obscures the view of the merge location from approaching cars and prevents cyclists looking back from clearly seeing approaching traffic).  That curb cut location is a recipe for frequent and serios car-bike collisions.

A location more in alignment with the southbound sidewalk would be safer because it would get bikes out of the lane of bridge traffic and maintain sight distance to and from the curb cut for both approaching cars and merging cyclists.

Over the longer term, it really makes sense to provide a separated connection of some sort between the bridge and Dravus.  This short stretch of high speed car traffic is a real deterrent for all but very experienced cyclists and unfortunately isolates otherwise very good biking areas in Interbay-Downtown and North End-Ballard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the short term, moving the curb cut south makes sense, but the location that&#8217;s been painted on the bridge as the proposed curb cut is too far around the corner (which obscures the view of the merge location from approaching cars and prevents cyclists looking back from clearly seeing approaching traffic).  That curb cut location is a recipe for frequent and serios car-bike collisions.</p>
<p>A location more in alignment with the southbound sidewalk would be safer because it would get bikes out of the lane of bridge traffic and maintain sight distance to and from the curb cut for both approaching cars and merging cyclists.</p>
<p>Over the longer term, it really makes sense to provide a separated connection of some sort between the bridge and Dravus.  This short stretch of high speed car traffic is a real deterrent for all but very experienced cyclists and unfortunately isolates otherwise very good biking areas in Interbay-Downtown and North End-Ballard.</p>
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		<title>By: Dayna Loeffler</title>
		<link>http://sdotblog.seattle.gov/2009/07/30/input-needed-bike-and-truck-improvements-for-south-end-ballard-bridge/comment-page-3/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Dayna Loeffler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pleased that SDOT is taking a look at this intersection.  I have been bike commuting across the Ballard Bridge for 2 years now, and the south intersection is always a fearful (and often irritating) spot in the commute.  The gap is very congested and it is generally necessary to wait for someone in a car or truck to slow down and wave the cyclist in.  The benefit of this is the communication between cyclist and driver - the cyclist knows that driver saw them and is going to let them in to traffic.  

What does the green bike lane mean exactly?  Will drivers know?  Will cyclists know?  Will the yield sign that is currently way to close to the intersection, and hidden in trees, be moved and possibly lighted?  Will there be a sign on the path for cyclists to stop and check traffic before just blazing through the green lane?

While I curse the current South exit to the bridge almost daily, it does at least force a fairly safe crossing for cyclists and drivers that are willing to work together.  I would rather the city not make the proposed improvements now, and instead push for funding to drop the bike exit down to the existing path as per any one of the other 3 proposals.  

If the city is going to implement these changes please:

1. keep traffic speed on bridge at 30mph (and enforce it).
2. Move the yield to cyclists sign to a place where it can be seen and gives drivers more warning.
3.  Consider illuminating the yield sign or putting a flashing light on it.
4. Place instructions for both cyclists and drives as to how to handle the intersection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pleased that SDOT is taking a look at this intersection.  I have been bike commuting across the Ballard Bridge for 2 years now, and the south intersection is always a fearful (and often irritating) spot in the commute.  The gap is very congested and it is generally necessary to wait for someone in a car or truck to slow down and wave the cyclist in.  The benefit of this is the communication between cyclist and driver &#8211; the cyclist knows that driver saw them and is going to let them in to traffic.  </p>
<p>What does the green bike lane mean exactly?  Will drivers know?  Will cyclists know?  Will the yield sign that is currently way to close to the intersection, and hidden in trees, be moved and possibly lighted?  Will there be a sign on the path for cyclists to stop and check traffic before just blazing through the green lane?</p>
<p>While I curse the current South exit to the bridge almost daily, it does at least force a fairly safe crossing for cyclists and drivers that are willing to work together.  I would rather the city not make the proposed improvements now, and instead push for funding to drop the bike exit down to the existing path as per any one of the other 3 proposals.  </p>
<p>If the city is going to implement these changes please:</p>
<p>1. keep traffic speed on bridge at 30mph (and enforce it).<br />
2. Move the yield to cyclists sign to a place where it can be seen and gives drivers more warning.<br />
3.  Consider illuminating the yield sign or putting a flashing light on it.<br />
4. Place instructions for both cyclists and drives as to how to handle the intersection.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Morgan</title>
		<link>http://sdotblog.seattle.gov/2009/07/30/input-needed-bike-and-truck-improvements-for-south-end-ballard-bridge/comment-page-3/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe instead of bikers and pedestrians having to push buttons and wait for cars to stop so they can move, cars should have to push a button and wait until pedestrians and bikes stop before they can go.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe instead of bikers and pedestrians having to push buttons and wait for cars to stop so they can move, cars should have to push a button and wait until pedestrians and bikes stop before they can go.  <img src='http://sdotblog.seattle.gov/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jon Morgan</title>
		<link>http://sdotblog.seattle.gov/2009/07/30/input-needed-bike-and-truck-improvements-for-south-end-ballard-bridge/comment-page-3/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the ultimate solution here, when real funds are available, is to fix this spaghetti mess by replacing it with a diamond interchange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the ultimate solution here, when real funds are available, is to fix this spaghetti mess by replacing it with a diamond interchange.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Redell</title>
		<link>http://sdotblog.seattle.gov/2009/07/30/input-needed-bike-and-truck-improvements-for-south-end-ballard-bridge/comment-page-3/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Redell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live just past Fisherman&#039;s Terminal and take this turn in my car and on my bike very often. Thankfully, I don&#039;t often have to continue south form the bridge down 15th anymore, but have a lot in the past and still do on occasion.

Everyone here is so polite about &quot;cost being a limiting factor&quot; but you know, I see so much money being spent all over this city on road improvements for cars that I have NO problem asking SDOT to spend a bit more money on this intersection.

What you are planning seems like it will be an improvement on the exisiting situation. What it needs to be a much better improvement is:
A) the speed limit bumps up to 40 just before this intersection. It should not move up until after it and the speed limit on the entire bridge should be enforced. No one drives 30 across it.
B) The Yield to bike sign is in a ridiculous place right now, just a few feet before the spot where riders should come out. A bigger sign needs to be placed further north to give drivers more warning that they need to be prepared to slow down.
C) install a push-button activated light so when a bike rider is at the intersection about to head South on 15th, he or she pushes the button and a flashing light on the yield sign and at the intersection warns drivers that a bike rider is present and that the driver MUST yield.
D)The white stripe lines are not adequate to slow drivers making the turn onto the flyover. That should be concrete. Otherwise, people will cut the radius of the turn and take it way too fast.

Thank you SDOT for the attempt at improvements, but please don&#039;t do them half heartedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live just past Fisherman&#8217;s Terminal and take this turn in my car and on my bike very often. Thankfully, I don&#8217;t often have to continue south form the bridge down 15th anymore, but have a lot in the past and still do on occasion.</p>
<p>Everyone here is so polite about &#8220;cost being a limiting factor&#8221; but you know, I see so much money being spent all over this city on road improvements for cars that I have NO problem asking SDOT to spend a bit more money on this intersection.</p>
<p>What you are planning seems like it will be an improvement on the exisiting situation. What it needs to be a much better improvement is:<br />
A) the speed limit bumps up to 40 just before this intersection. It should not move up until after it and the speed limit on the entire bridge should be enforced. No one drives 30 across it.<br />
B) The Yield to bike sign is in a ridiculous place right now, just a few feet before the spot where riders should come out. A bigger sign needs to be placed further north to give drivers more warning that they need to be prepared to slow down.<br />
C) install a push-button activated light so when a bike rider is at the intersection about to head South on 15th, he or she pushes the button and a flashing light on the yield sign and at the intersection warns drivers that a bike rider is present and that the driver MUST yield.<br />
D)The white stripe lines are not adequate to slow drivers making the turn onto the flyover. That should be concrete. Otherwise, people will cut the radius of the turn and take it way too fast.</p>
<p>Thank you SDOT for the attempt at improvements, but please don&#8217;t do them half heartedly.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Snyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heading southbound over the bridge, the speed limit is 30 mph until a few hundred yards before this conflict zone, where the speed limit jumps up to 40 mph.

Later, somewhere past Dravis I think, the speed limit drops down to 35.

Can we improve the safety here by keeping the speed limit at 30 mph until somewhere south of the conflict point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heading southbound over the bridge, the speed limit is 30 mph until a few hundred yards before this conflict zone, where the speed limit jumps up to 40 mph.</p>
<p>Later, somewhere past Dravis I think, the speed limit drops down to 35.</p>
<p>Can we improve the safety here by keeping the speed limit at 30 mph until somewhere south of the conflict point?</p>
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